I tested Martyn's methods - and I confirm their validity.
They work. Two challenges to helping people deal with dead person identification are the horror
movies that we and our clients have seen, and ghost stories
that seem to be part of every culture.
Unresolved childish fears can grow into a full bloom of terror.
A common symptom of dead person identification is
may appear to have psychic sensitivity. Although Martyn seems to
dismiss this as sensitivity to body language, I have frequently
observed people with DPI symptoms accurately describe secret past
events, current events elsewhere and predict future events
of unknown people.
What's Eating You? Discarnates & Undead Spirits
Human discarnates refer to people whose bodies have died. Some people attempting to play games
with ghosts or discarnates later find themselves obsessed or disturbed in
ways that psychotherapy does not recognize and cannot help. Magical stories are full of
warnings about entities that expect to be paid for their services.
(Inexperienced therapists or healers may be wise to refer clients with
dead person identification symptoms to therapists with more experience.)
Some examples of discarnate people who can confuse the living:
- Goodbye: Some discarnates want to say goodbye and leave. They know
what has happened but cannot communicate their messages, and they wait, and
wait - in someone's body.
- Denial: Some discarnates do not believe they are dead or do not accept it. They
may be angry and jealous, and try to possess a body.
- Fear: Many discarnates are confused and frightened, with either little
understanding about why they cannot continue life or feeling safe in someone
- Protection: Some want to stay behind and
protect a person - usually a child. They consider their protection to be
valuable but they don't notice when a child grows up.
- Let Me Go!: Some discarnates want to move on, but are stuck ...
either someone is clinging to them or they want to finish some important task ...
Discarnate entities include a variety of elementals and
dead pets. Many seem ageless and some
have accumulated wisdom. Some don't care about human needs and some
appear to be local guardians or nature spirits. A few may claim to be angels -
or demons. Caution: Just because its dead doesn't mean it's smart.
My mother would tell me, 'I hate you!', then
she would say, "No, I don't hate you - I hate that you're not my
son who died". In our sessions, I found that I tried to let my dead brother
live through me, even though I
am female. Birmingham, England
Discarnates are everywhere! Martyn Carruthers sometimes says, "Why
dedicate your life to helping the dead?" I often help
people who have discarnates in their bodies, and sometimes I clear discarnates
from haunted houses and so on. (Martyn
teased me about doing my daily exorcises.)
Striking a Happy Medium
Talk to self-proclaimed mediums at a psychic fair. Many mediums seem
to have exactly the symptoms and sensitivity that Carruthers describes
as typical of identified people. This haunted archetype seems common -
I would guess that 5-10% of the people I meet are emotionally entangled with
Many mediums not only show symptoms of dead person identification -
they boast about spirit helpers - about dead people who aid or protect them.
Perhaps it's wise to consider the consequences before entangling with dead people.
These consequences seem to include identification (possession),
early death, death of a child and dysfunctional relationships. Stories of magical
powers include the payments expected by the entities enlisted. Martyn says
that the principle payment is your happiness.
My boyfriend died in an accident ... and my friends and I
bought a Ouija board to see if he would come through and he did. We talk to him
almost every night and he is always with us. He said he would never leave me and
he will always wait for me.
entanglement with a dead partner will likely influence a future
partnership. Also, a future child may identify with the dead boyfriend ...
to bring him back into this woman's life. I often use Martyn's
systemic coaching to manage such consequences.
Which Witch is Which?
My studies into "Can the dead communicate?" brought me to
spiritualism, parapsychology and psychic research. While most people were well-meaning
with good intentions, for a few groups and cults, however, you may be prey. (If you
have difficulty leaving an occult group - see
Shamans of many cultures claim to use the spirits of dead people to influence
the living. Solving these attacks can be wild rides, mostly because of a
client's fears and beliefs. How I do that is beyond the scope of
this article but Martyn can provide this service online.
Cross Cultural Horror Show
All over this planet, people use similar ways to honor and communicate
with the quiet dead - and have similar unpleasant stories about the unquiet
dead - the undead. Central European vampires, werewolves and Egyptian
mummies may reflect Hollywood films, but my talks with native Canadians and with
immigrants from Cuba, Africa, Vietnam and Afghanistan included eerily similar
Martyn says "Preoccupation with death and dying
is a common symptom of dead person identification", but there are other, less
scientific, explanations. What is the difference between a dead person
and a ghost? Or between dead person identification and
possession? Between dissociating a dead person and exorcism?
Or between a systemic counselor and an exorcist?
A few of my cases ...
Haunted House . Curses
. Black Magic
. Ghosts . Demon
Death and Dying
As I investigated the lives and family histories of people with symptoms
of dead person identification, a deep concern arose. These unpleasant
symptoms provide doors between the world of the living and the world of the dead.
Some of these doors can be easily opened, but may not so easily be closed.
The symptoms of dead person identification can predispose people towards
melancholy and suicidal depression. I met many people with these symptoms who tried psychiatry, spiritualism, psychotherapy,
energy work and religion, but
found lasting relief using Martyn's systemic psychology.
Ghosts, Ghosts & More Ghosts
Since I retired, I collect and research ghost
stories. I have many first-hand descriptions of ghosts - and my memories of
the people who told me the ghost stories. A possessed person archetype
might include wide-open eyes, a fixed stare, dark skin under the eyes,
slack facial skin, lowered shoulders and down-turned mouths - often
staring at the floor. Interestingly, these are some of the non-verbal signals that
Martyn associates with dead-person identification.
To go beyond second-hand stories into first hand experience, I found
a bridge in lucid dreaming. With that I can do
more than listen to ghost stories. Martyn teaches ways to join people
in their dreams that he learned while living in Hawaii (see
He calls it Moe Uhane (Dreamwork) or Ho'omoe (Dreaming Together).
Shared dreams seem to overlap onto objective reality!
Changes made in the dreams seemed to cause, or at least be related to,
rapid changes in the reality in which we live. My question became,
"Where do dreams stop and reality begin?"
Dead Person Identification is about relationships with dead people. Yet our human world includes
many never-living entities that were once worshipped by people. Can something die
that was never born? How would a dead deity or even a dead idea be different to a dead person?
And how can we recognize a groups or organizations of people who identify with dead
people or an undead entities?"
It is often said that man creates gods in his own image. If so, the
gods of identified people might appear to demand, or at least request,
that symptoms of dead person identification be perceived as normal.
Could Martyn's systemic symptoms (of DPI) be transformed into recognizable belief systems?