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The Relationship Coaching Institute

Exorcism, Psychotherapy & Identification with a Dead Person

© David J. Marsden 2003

Are you entangled in other people's lives and emotions? Soulwork Systemic Solutions can help you untangle your life ... and you can help other people reclaim their freedom.

Preface

The topics explored by David Marsden bring mystery and magic into lives made sterile by technology. Visiting a fortune teller may seem like harmless fun. At any psychic fair you can buy cheap crystals, aromas and symbols offering you protection against supernatural agencies. Doctors and psychiatrists supply expensive psychotropic drugs to manage the symptoms he describes, while criticizing natural medicine and alternative therapy. (Martyn Carruthers)

Between Life and Death

People of most cultures honor dead relatives. According to traditions from all over the world, a dishonored or ignored dead person will haunt the living, either as an external or internal ghost. An "external ghost" is the common ghost of creepy tales. An "internal ghost" is often called imagination, possession,  obsession, or identification with a dead person, depending on education.

Far beyond the Ouija board or tarot cards is Dead Person Identification. This is well described by Martyn Carruthers, who offers a solid systemic model with many diagnostic tips; moreover he frequently demonstrates lasting solutions for what some people call spirit possession.

According to Martyn Carruthers, the symptoms of Dead Person Identification (DPI) follow systemic rules. Systemic identifications, he says, are expected when a family member dies in a manner that creates so much guilt for the family that the topic cannot be discussed or rationalized, and the dead person is ignored. Carruthers said that the most common causes of DPI may be suicide and abortion. (See: Spiritual Consequences of Abortion)

Dead Person Identification (DPI)

Some symptoms of dead person identification:

  • Chronic sadness and melancholy
  • May appear to have "psychic" sensitivity
  • Preoccupied with death and dying
  • Fascination with cemeteries

(Personal notes from Soulwork training)

  • Fascination with places where people died
  • May risk life (no fear of death)
  • May be sterile or avoid becoming a parent
  • May fear that own children will die
  • May have miscarriages and dead children

 

Other symptoms of spirit possession or dead person identification include anorexia nervosa and many addictions.

I tested the Soulwork methods - and I confirm their validity. Two challenges to helping people with DPI are the horror movies that we and our clients have seen as children, and ghost stories that are part of our culture. Unresolved childish fears can grow into into a full bloom of terror.

One of the symptoms of dead person identification (or spirit possession) is May appear to have psychic sensitivity. Although Carruthers seems to dismiss this as sensitivity to unspoken body language, I have frequently observed people with DPI symptoms accurately describe secret past events and current events elsewhere, and accurately predict future events of previously unknown people.

Protection against Undead Spirits

Some people attempting to play games with ghosts or spirits of dead people later find themselves obsessed or disturbed in ways that psychotherapy cannot heal. Magical stories are full of warnings about entities that expect to be paid for their services. (An inexperienced therapist or healer may be wise to refer clients with DPI symptoms to people with experience.)

Never Strike a Happy Medium

Interview some self-proclaimed mediums at a psychic fair. Many mediums seem to have the symptoms and sensitivity - that Carruthers describes as typical of people who identify with a dead person.

Most mediums that I meet not only have the symptoms of dead person identification - they often boast about spirit helpers - about dead people who help them. But it's wise to check the payment before it is overdue. The history of magic is full of stories about people who tried to avoid this payment.

Which Witch is Which?

Shamans of many cultures use the spirits of dead people to harm the living. Solving these attacks can be wild rides, mostly because of a client's fears and beliefs, yet they reflect human system dynamics.

My study into "Can the dead communicate?" brought me to spiritualism, parapsychology and psychic research. Although most are well-meaning people, for a few occult organizations and cults, you are prey. (If you have difficulty leaving an occult group - read Exit Coaching.)

Cross Cultural Horror Show

All over this planet, people use similar ways to honor and communicate with the quiet dead - and similar unpleasant stories about the unquiet dead. Central European vampires, werewolves, and Egyptian mummies may reflect Hollywood films, but my talks with native Canadians and with immigrants from Cuba, Africa, Vietnam and Afghanistan bring eerily similar stories.

While Carruthers says "Preoccupation with death and dying" is a common symptom of dead person identification, there are other, less scientific, explanations. What is the difference between a dead person and a ghost? Or between dead person identification and possession? Between "dissociating a dead person" and exorcism? Or between a "systemic coach" and an exorcist?

Here are a few of my cases should you be interested...

[ Haunted House . Curses . Black Magic . Ghosts . Demon ]

Death and Dying

As I investigated the lives and family histories of people with symptoms of dead person identification, a deep concern arose. These unpleasant symptoms provide doors between the world of the living and the world of the dead.

The symptoms of dead person identification may predispose people towards psychopathic behavior and suicidal depression. I met many people with these recognizable symptoms who tried psychiatry, psychotherapy and religion, but found effective long-term solutions in systemic coaching.

Ancestral Ghosts

  Many early people believed that spirits occupied all elements of nature. Evil spirits or demons were the spirits of ancestors who brought harm to living people.
Microsoft Encarta Reference Library 2003

Asking "Does anybody know any ghost stories?" is my way to break ice. Most people have ghost stories. A sincere and sympathetic ear can bring out hair-raising tales from the most conservative people. This is my hobby; I collect ghost stories, and sometimes I research them.

Common themes of ghost stories, from different cultural backgrounds, are:

  1. Most ghosts seemed to be sad or angry spirits of people who were abused, victimized or murdered in life. They seemed to live on after death to find a way to balance the injustice - by harming the victimizers or their descendents; or they live on in their own descendents, demanding justice.
  2. Some ghosts were "guilty" or "confused" - being punished for harmful or abusive acts.
  3. Some ghosts were beneficial and friendly, often guiding or protecting their descendents.
  4. The remainder could be described as "entities" that had never been human. This group included animal spirits, space aliens and angels.

However, the ghosts that I researched did not seem to exist in our reality. To go beyond second-hand stories into first hand experience was not easy. I needed a bridge; and I found it in lucid dreaming.

Dreaming Together

Using Systemic Coaching, I can do more than listen to ghost stories. Carruthers teaches ways to join people within their dream realities. (He learned this while living in Hawaii, where he lived and studied with native Polynesian healers - see Hawaiian Spirituality) Dreaming Together allowed me to accompany people into their dreamscapes, explore their imagery and interview whatever lurked there.

Most people seem to have emotional leftovers from childhood - and Dreaming Together can bring this unconscious stuff to the surface rather quickly. Sometimes shared dreams are so intense that I nearly forget to breathe. Most people, however, quickly forget Dreaming experiences on waking.

Even stranger - these shared dreams could overlap onto objective reality! Changes made in the dreamscape seemed to cause, or at least be related to, rapid changes in the three-dimensional reality in which we live. "Where do dreams stop and reality begin?" This is close to magic.

Entertaining Demons

Dead Person Identification concerns dead human beings. Yet our human world includes dead supernatural entities that were once worshipped by human beings. How can something die that was never born? How would the ghost of a deity be different to that of a person? And how can we recognize a group or organization of people who are identified with a dead person?"

It is often said that man creates gods in his own image. So the gods of identified people might appear to demand, or at least request, that symptoms of dead person identification be perceived as normal. Could Carruthers' "systemic" symptoms (of DPI) be transformed into recognizable beliefs?

Dead Person Identified Client

  • Chronic sadness and melancholy
  • May have psychic sensitivity
  • Preoccupation with death and dying
  • Fascination with cemeteries
  • Fascinated by places where people died
  • May engage in risky sports
  • May avoid becoming a parent
  • May fear that own children will die

Dead Person Identified Cult

  • Suffering and melancholy are holy
  • Psychic sensitivity is holy
  • Preoccupation with death is holy
  • Cemeteries are sacred
  • Places where people died are sacred
  • No fear of death is holy
  • Celibacy is holy
  • Childhood deaths are holy

These rules seem to mirror many cults! Do these rules only apply to the darker esoteric and occult societies? Can whole cultures really be so influenced by dead people? Can entire communities be haunted by demons or evil spirits?

Answering these questions opened some of my strangest ghost stories ... how dead people influence groups, organizations and cultures!

Exorcism, Psychotherapy & Soulwork

While investigating ghost stories, I witnessed psychiatrists, psychotherapists, healers and exorcists "help" people who expressed the symptoms that Carruthers says may indicate identification with a dead person. Some of this "work" was brutal, with mind-distorting drugs, imprisonment and electro-convulsive therapy. Sadly, much of this effort seemed to have little discernible effect, except perhaps that those suffering became skilled at hiding their symptoms.

Soulwork effectively resolves many issues of darkness, depression and death. It works. I observed Soulwork methods rapidly dissolve health symptoms that appeared to involve dead people, and dismiss esoteric agencies, during a few peaceful sessions.

[ Haunted House . Curses . Black Magic . Ghosts . Demon ]

Afterword (By Martyn Carruthers)

Fairy tales and movies provide scary stories of ghosts and the unquiet dead. Stories of zombies, werewolves, mummies and evil spirits are mingled with sorcery and black magic. Yet the symptoms associated with spirit possession resemble those of dead-person-identification. Are they connected?

Our willingness to walk across a cemetery at night may expose how close we live to a world where not all dead rest in peace. Trespass into other realities may be fun at first - but the consequences can be unpleasant. We each live in more than one reality, and unexpected news from a separate reality can upset our equilibrium and our health.

Soulwork coaching provides solutions. We can teach you to access and use world-views in which the phenomena described by David Marsden can be safely explored and satisfactorily resolved.

Copyright © David J. Marsden 2003 All rights reserved

David Marsden is a retired therapist who investigates ghost stories - email: David Marsden, Ghost Hunter, ghost stories,demons,exorcism


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