I tested Martyn's methods and I confirm their validity. They work.
Two challenges to helping people deal with relationships to dead
people are the horror
movies that people have seen as children, and ghost stories
that seem to be part of every culture.
Unresolved childish fears can grow into a full bloom of terror.
A common symptom of dead person identification (or spirit possession) is
psychic sensitivity. Although Martyn seems to
dismiss this as sensitivity to body language, I have frequently
observed people with these symptoms describe secret past
events in detail, current events elsewhere, and accurately predict
future events of previously unknown people.
Discarnates & Undead Spirits
Human discarnates refer to the spirits, souls or energies
of dead people. Some people attempting to play games
with dead people later find themselves obsessed, possessed or disturbed in
ways that psychotherapy does not recognize. Magical stories are full of
warnings about entities that demand payment for their services.
Some examples from my experiences of discarnate people:
- Goodbye: Some discarnates want to say goodbye and leave. They
know what has happened but cannot communicate their last messages, so they
- Denial: Some discarnates do not believe or do not accept that their bodies are dead. They may be angry
or jealous, and try to possess living human bodies.
- Fear: Many discarnates are confused and frightened, with little
understanding about why they try to continue their lives using other people's
- Protection: Some discarnates want to protect people - usually
descendents. They consider their protection to be
- Let Me Go!: Some discarnates want to move on, but they are
held ... a
living person (usually a relative) may cling to them. And sometimes they want to finish some last important task
Discarnate entities can include a variety of elementals and nature spirits -
including dead pets. Many seem ageless and some
seem to have accumulated wisdom. Some don't care about human needs. Some
appear to be local guardians or nature spirits.
Discarnates are everywhere! Martyn said, "Don't
spend the rest of your life helping the dead!" and "Just because it's
dead doesn't mean it's smart!" I often help
people who have discarnates in their bodies, and I sometimes
clear discarnates from haunted houses etc. (Martyn
teased me about doing my daily exorcises.)
Finding a Happy Medium
Talk to self-proclaimed mediums at a psychic fair. Many mediums seem
to have exactly the symptoms and sensitivity that Martyn describes
as typical of identified people. This haunted archetype seems common and
I would guess that perhaps 5% of all people may be emotionally entangled with
at least one dead person.
Many mediums not only show symptoms of dead person identification -
they boast about having spirit helpers - dead people who aid or protect them.
Perhaps it's wise to consider the consequences before enmeshing dead people.
These consequences include identification (possession),
early death, miscarriages and dysfunctional relationships. Stories of magic
often include the payments expected by the hired entities. Martyn says
that your principle payment is usually your happiness.
My boyfriend recently died in an accident ... my friends and I
bought a Ouija board to see if he would come through and he did. We talk to him
almost every night and he is always with us. He said he would never leave me and
he will always wait for me.
entanglement with a dead partner will likely influence future
partnerships. Also, a future child may identify with the dead boyfriend ...
to bring him back into his mother's life.
Systemic coaching can prevent
and manage such consequences.
Which Witch is Which?
My studies into "Can the dead communicate?" brought
me to spiritualism, parapsychology and psychic research. Most people were
well-meaning with good intentions, although for a few groups and cults, however,
you are prey.
If you have difficulty leaving an occult group - read
Shamans of many cultures claim to use spirits of dead people to harm the
living. Resolving such attacks can be wild rides, involving people's fears and beliefs.
Cross Cultural Horror Show
All over this planet, people use similar ways to honor the quiet dead - and have similar stories about the unquiet
dead - or undead. Central European vampires, werewolves and Egyptian
mummies may reflect Hollywood films, but my talks with native Canadians and with
immigrants from Cuba, Africa, Vietnam and Afghanistan included eerily similar
While Martyn says "Preoccupation with death and dying"
is a symptom of identification with a dead person (DPI), there are other, less
scientific, explanations. What is the difference between a dead person
and a ghost? Between dead person identification and
possession? Between dissociating a dead person and exorcism?
Or between a systemic coach and an exorcist?
Here are a few of my cases:
Haunted House . Curses
. Black Magic
. Ghosts . Demon
Death and Dying
As I investigated the lives and family histories of people who appeared to be identified with dead
people, a deep concern arose. These symptoms provide doors between the world of the living and
a world of the dead.
Some of these doors can be easily opened ... and not so easily closed.
The symptoms of dead person identification seem to predispose people towards
melancholy and depression. I met many people with these symptoms who tried psychiatry,
energy work and religion without lasting success, but
I helped people gain lasting relief using Martyn's systemic work.
I helped several people who had identified with dead parents. One woman,
whose mother died when she was four years old, had identified with her dead mother,
which required that she become her father's partner. Another woman had identified
with her dead father, which became a basis for her lesbian lifestyle. In these
and many other cases, resolving the identifications had enormous impact on
people's daily lives.
Ghosts, Ghosts & More Ghosts
Since I retired, I collect and research ghost
stories. I have many first-hand descriptions of ghosts - and my memories of
the people who told me the ghost stories. A haunted person archetype
might include wide-open eyes, a fixed downward stare, dark skin under the eyes,
slack facial skin, lowered shoulders and down-turned mouths. Interestingly, these are
some of the non-verbal signs that
Martyn Carruthers associates with dead-person identification.
To go beyond second-hand stories into first hand experience, I needed
a bridge; and I found it in lucid dreaming. With that I can do
more than listen to ghost stories. Martyn teaches ways to join people
in their dreams that he learned while living in Hawaii (see
He calls it ho'omoe or Dreamwork.
It seems that shared dreams can overlap onto objective reality!
Changes made in the dreams seemed to cause, or at least be related to,
rapid changes in the reality in which we live. I ask,
"Where do dreams stop and reality begin?"
Dead Person Identification concerns dead people. Yet our human world includes
many never-living entities that were once recognized as alive. Can something die
that was never born? How would a dead deity be different to a dead person?
And how can we recognize a group or organization of people who are identified
with a dead person or an undead entity?"
It has been said that man creates gods in his own image. If so, the
gods of identified people might appear to demand, or at least request,
that symptoms of dead person identification be perceived as normal.
Could Martyn's systemic symptoms (of entanglements with dead people) become
recognizable belief systems?