Are you prone to melancholy?
Do you want to untangle your emotions?
Preface by Martyn Carruthers
David Marsden can bring mystery and magic into lives made sterile by technology.
Many people claim to heal the symptoms that David describes here. Some intuitive
healers, priests and energy workers claim this as their specialty. At every
psychic fair are sellers of crystals and symbols who claim to offer protection
against these symptoms. Psychotherapists can be territorial about this, and
physicians and psychiatrists who supply expensive drugs to manage these symptoms
may criticize natural medicine and alternative therapies.
Chronic Sadness, Melancholy & Death
Melancholy and chronic sadness (dysthymia) tends to cross generations
in families. Many melancholic people experienced
the death of a close relative - including
relatives who died before their birth!
Dysthymia is less severe than major depression,
but often lasts longer. People with dysthymia often describe having been
sad as long as they can remember, or they feel that they constantly jump in and out of
sadness. We find dysthymia often indicates identification with a dead person,
or complex conflict.
Dysthymia is characterized by long-term
melancholy. People with dysthymia may also be irritable, have weight
problems, sleep disorders, chronic fatigue, low self-esteem,
attention deficit, indecisiveness and an ongoing sense
People diagnosed with dysthymia are often medicated with SSRI
drugs, including fluoxetine (Prozac), sertraline (Zoloft), paroxetine
(Paxil) and citalopram (Celexa). So much for modern medicine. It is
much more profitable to prescribe addictive drugs than to solve
relationship problems. We offer relationship solutions rather than drugs.
Between Life and Death
People of most cultures honor dead relatives. According
to traditions from all over the world, a dishonored or ignored dead
person may haunt the living, either as an external or internal
ghost. An external ghost is the common ghost of creepy tales. You
may refer to an internal ghost as imagination, possession, obsession,
or identification with a dead person, depending on your background.
Exorcists may be an endangered species. Modern science
declares demons and ghosts to be unreal, existing only in the
imaginations of the naive and childish. As priests are replaced by therapists,
their blessings are being replaced by medication.
Identification with a dead person (DPI) exorcises medieval ideas of spirit
possession. It is well described by Martyn Carruthers, who offers a systemic
model for its causation, symptoms and healing. Carruthers frequently
demonstrates lasting solutions.
According to Martyn , the symptoms of DPI follow
systemic rules. Systemic identifications, he says, can be expected when family
members die in a way that creates so much guilt for the family that the deaths
cannot be discussed, rationalized or assimilated. Martyn said that the most
common events leading to this unconscious identification may be suicide,
abortion and vanishing twins.
Some Symptoms of Dead Person Identification (DPI)
- Chronic seriousness
- Fascination with cemeteries
- Chronic sadness and melancholy
- Preoccupied with death and dying
seem to have psychic sensitivity
- May have miscarriages
- May try to live two lives
- May fear that own children will die
- May be sterile or avoid becoming a parent
- Fascination with places where people died
(Personal notes from
Soulwork Training presented by Martyn Carruthers)
I tested Martyn' methods - and I confirm their validity.
They work. I find that two challenges to helping people overcome this issue are the
horror movies that they have seen as children, and ghost stories
Unresolved childish fears can grow into a full bloom of terror.
One symptom of dead person identification (or spirit possession) is
may appear to have psychic sensitivity. Although Martyn seems
to dismiss this as sensitivity to body language, I have observed
people with these symptoms accurately describe secret past
events, current events elsewhere, and accurately predict future happenings
to people they did not know.
Protection against Undead Spirits
Some people attempting to play games with ghosts or spirits of dead people
later find themselves obsessed or disturbed in ways that psychotherapy does not
recognize and cannot remedy. Magical stories are full of warnings about entities
that expect some payment for their services. (A therapist or healer
may be wise to refer clients with these symptoms to more experienced helping
People who seem to attract these spirits or ghosts often seem entangled with
dead relatives, for example with a suicide ancestor
or an aborted sibling. I find that
most people can contact or communicate with dead spirits, but some people (by
virtue of their enmeshment) provide a ready
made conduit. Some people dislike their sensitivity and avoid spooky
places, others seem to enjoy and even exploit it.
Where are the Happy Mediums?
Maybe go a psychic fair and talk to some self-proclaimed mediums. Many mediums seem to
have exactly the symptoms and sensitivity that Martyn describes as
typical of identified people. This ghostly archetype seems common
... about 5-10% of people I meet appear to be entangled with dead persons.
Many mediums not only show symptoms of dead person identification -
they may boast about the spirits of dead people who
aid or protect them. Perhaps it's wise to consider the consequences before
consciously entangling with dead people. These consequences seem to include
identification (possession), early death, chronic sadness,
miscarriages and chaotic relationships.
My boyfriend died in an accident ... my friends and I
bought a Ouija board to see if he would come through and he did. We talk to him
almost every night and he is always with us. He said he would never leave me and
he will always wait for me ... Atlanta
|Martyn's Comment: An entanglement with a dead
partner will likely influence future partnerships. Also, a future child may
identify with the dead boyfriend ... attempting to bring a beloved person back
into the mother's life. We
can help people prevent and change such unhappy consequences.
Which Witch is Which?
My studies into "Can the dead communicate?" brought
me to spiritualism, parapsychology and psychic research. Most people
were well-meaning with good intentions. For some people, however, you
are prey. Shamans of many cultures claim to use the spirits of the dead
to harm the living, and solving such attacks can be wild rides.
(If you have difficulty leaving an occult group see
All over this planet, people use similar ways to honor and communicate with the
quiet dead - and have similar unpleasant stories about the unquiet dead - the undead.
Central European vampires, werewolves and Egyptian mummies may reflect Hollywood movies,
but my talks with native Canadians and with immigrants from Cuba, Africa, Vietnam,
Sri Lanka and Afghanistan included eerily similar ghost stories.
While Martyn says that preoccupation with death and dying
is a common symptom of identification with a dead person, there are other,
less scientific explanations. What is the difference between a dead
person's spirit and a ghost? Or between dead person
identification and possession?
Between dissociating a dead person and exorcism?
Or between a systemic coach and an exorcist?
Here are a few of my experiences ...
Haunted House . Curses
. Black Magic
. Ghosts . Demon
Death and Dying
As I investigated the lives and family histories of people who had symptoms
of identification with dead people, a deep concern arose. These unpleasant
symptoms provide doors between the world of the living and a world of the dead.
Some of these doors can be easily opened - and not so easily closed.
The symptoms of dead person identification may predispose
people towards chronic sadness and depression. I met people with these
recognizable symptoms who tried psychiatry, spiritualism, psychotherapy
and various religions, but found lasting solutions in Martyn's Soulwork.
Ghosts, Ghosts & More Ghosts
Since I retired, I collect and research ghost stories.
I have many first-hand descriptions of ghosts - and my memories of the people who
told the ghost stories. A ghost-story teller archetype might include wide-open
staring eyes, dark skin under the eyes, slack facial skin, lowered shoulders
and down-turned mouths. Strangely, these are all signs that Martyn
associates with dead-person identification.
To go beyond second-hand stories to first hand experience, I needed a
bridge; and I found it in lucid dreaming. Martyn teaches ways to
join people in their dreams that he learned from Hawaiian shamans while
living in Hawaii (see
It seems that shared dreams can overlap onto objective reality! Changes made
in the dreams seemed to cause, or at least be related to, rapid changes in the
reality in which we live. My question became, "Where do dreams stop and
Our human world includes never-living entities that were once worshipped.
Can something die that was never born? Would a dead god be different
to a dead person? How can we recognize groups or organizations of
people identified with dead people or
undead entities?" Could Martyn's symptoms represent belief systems?
Dead Person Identified Symptoms
Dead Person Identified Cult
- Chronic sadness and melancholy
- May have psychic sensitivity
- Preoccupation with death and dying
- Fascination with cemeteries
- Fascinated by places where people died
- May avoid becoming a parent
- May fear that own children will die
- Suffering and melancholy are sacred
- Supernatural sensitivity is holy
- Preoccupation with death is holy
- Cemeteries are sacred
- Places where people died are sacred
- Celibacy is holy
- Childhood deaths are sacred
Do these rules only apply to the darker esoteric cults and occult societies?
Can whole cultures be influenced by dead people?
My answers to these questions open some strange ghost stories ... how
the dead influence families, organizations and cultures! A CEO who died of
a heart attack in his office. An office over an abortion clinic. Religions based
on dead person identification. The edge of death is a busy place.
Comment by Martyn Carruthers
Your willingness to walk across a cemetery at night may show how close
you live to a world where not all dead rest in peace. Trespass into other
realities may be fun at first - but the consequences can be unpleasant and
lasting. Enmeshment with visitors from other realities can upset your
equilibrium - and that of your family. We can show
you how to safely manage the phenomena so well described by David Marsden.
Online Life Coaching & Counseling for Chronic
I am a retired psychotherapist living near Toronto,
Canada. I investigate ghost stories. You can email me at
or you can ask Martyn for help with these and similar issues.
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